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Ian Braithwaite's avatar

Thank you Gordon! I have a few comments of a philosophical rather than substantive nature. I guess it is the lot of economists studying and keenly aware of complexity and trade-offs to be frustrated with people's innate "lizard brain's" tendency to over-simplify, sometimes absurdly, in order to reach a quick conclusion in order to get on with life.

Semaglutides are an example of another tendency, which may be modern, of adding complexity, hoping for the technological silver bullet, rather than simplifying, which in the case of obesity would seem obvious, if difficult, involving changes to behaviour.

Finally to air quality: the rapid on-going build-out of coal-fired power stations in India and China may mean that those in charge put economic development ahead of air quality. As their populations become wealthier, one can see the trade-off shifting towards cleaner air. I wonder if as the UK's economic circumstances deteriorate, some luxury beliefs will eventually need to be shed, perhaps to favour fracking, North Sea drilling, mining and nuclear energy.

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DusanRepcak's avatar

I was hoping you could address some of the related claims on semaglutides made by the National Institute of Clinical Excellence (NICE), since they are the ones (or *should* be the ones) doing the comprehensive analyses and appraisals of medicines.

Their recommendation from appraisal of semaglutides from2023 https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ta875/resources/semaglutide-for-managing-overweight-and-obesity-pdf-82613674831813:

''Semaglutide is recommended as an option for weight management, including

weight loss and weight maintenance, alongside a reduced-calorie diet and

increased physical activity in adults, only if:

• it is used for a maximum of 2 years, and within a specialist weight

management service providing multidisciplinary management of overweight

or obesity (including but not limited to tiers 3 and 4), and

• they have at least 1 weight-related comorbidity and:

- a body mass index (BMI) of at least 35.0 kg/m2

, or

- a BMI of 30.0 kg/m2

to 34.9 kg/m2

and meet the criteria for referral to

specialist overweight and obesity management services in NICE's

guideline on overweight and obesity management''

In section 3.12 ''...increasing the time on treatment to 3 years increased the incremental cost-effectiveness

ratio (ICER), suggesting that longer use is less likely to be cost effective''.

From the final committee appraisal paper: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ta875/evidence/final-appraisal-determination-committee-papers-pdf-11381312557

''NHS England and NHS Improvement (NHSE&I) disagrees with the proposed recommendation for semaglutide to be prescribed for a maximum duration of 2 years. The proposed time-limited access to treatment creates an artificial stopping point, not based on clinical evidence;

once reached and treatment is stopped, there is evidence that patients will regain

weight, as a result reducing the cost benefits of prescribing semaglutide. This will

likely lead to some patients requesting re-referral into specialist weight

management services, reducing cost-effectiveness further''

'' (the committee) agreed that for a long-term condition like obesity, it was not ideal that specialist weight management services were only available for 2 years (see FAD section 3.12). However, it noted that this is how long on average specialist weight management services can currently be accessed and that the company model was based on a course of treatment of no

longer than 2 years, which is also in line with the clinical trial evidence currently available (see FAD section 3.12). The committee agreed that it could only make recommendations based on the current understanding of the structure of specialist weight management services, which it heard were not accessed for longer than 2 years. Therefore, the committee recommended that semaglutide is given for a maximum for 2 years.''

It appears to me that NICE is very aware of the structural constraints within NHS and it understands that the implications of a long-term provision would be costly. The question remains whether the lack of enforcement power by NICE can be balanced by the willingness of policymakers to listen to its recommendations and apply them effectively. I assume that your answer to that question would be rather sceptical.

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